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Is it true cyclops do the h7 kit for the f800st which includes the cover? They mention that our European bikes have a flat cover. I have never seen anything different! Would anyone be kind to give the link of the correct kit I should be ordering?
Thanks in advance:)
 
Joshua, I would order this part only. https://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/4000-Lumen-H7-LED-Headlight-Bulb_p_86.html I put in the older version of that on my GT.

I was able to fit the driver inside the low beam headlight cover, but not the high beam. I ended up drilling a small hole on the edge of the high beam cover and leaving the driver on the outside and using velcro to hold it on the underside of the headlamp assembly. I suggest you do the same.

My low beam went out on a trip. The folks at Cyclops gave me a new LED bulb and driver. When I install it, I think I'll do the same as I did on the high beam and leave the driver on the outside of the headlamp assembly. I had been riding for hours in hot temperatures and I wonder if the bulb overheated. The bulb and that driver can get hot, and the temps were in the mid to high 90's.

Chris
 
Is it true cyclops do the h7 kit for the f800st which includes the cover? They mention that our European bikes have a flat cover. I have never seen anything different! Would anyone be kind to give the link of the correct kit I should be ordering?
Thanks in advance:)
Yes, and it seems there are two kits, one for F bikes up to 2014 (like the FST?)

http://www.sportouring.co.uk/shop/e...ons/bulbs/cyclops_led/led-headlight-bulb-kit-for-bmw-gs-f-bikes-2013-and-older/

And another for bikes 2014 and after like the FGT

http://www.sportouring.co.uk/shop/e...ons/bulbs/cyclops_led/led-headlight-bulb-kit-for-bmw-gs-f-bikes-2014-and-newer/

I have not fitted these LEDs to my GT but keep thinking about it?

Anyway I hope this helps
 
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If you live in the USA, I'd recommend going directly to Cyclops Adventure Sports themselves. Just looking at their website, they do worldwide delivery. The links above look like around a $50 markup from the Cyclops people themselves.

I don't know what the differences in the light housing are between a GT and a ST. I did fit them to my GT with no issues at all.

The H7 low beam fit with the "driver" inside the light housing and cap. The H7 high beam did not. I elected to drill a small hole for the wires to pass through and place the driver outside the light housing. It'll get better cooling anyway. Some velcro holds it under the light housing out of the way and where it isn't seen either.

Doing an install like that, will make the lights work on any bike. You'll only need the bulbs then. That gets the cost down to $65 per bulb.

Chris
 
If you live in the USA, I'd recommend going directly to Cyclops Adventure Sports themselves. Just looking at their website, they do worldwide delivery. The links above look like around a $50 markup from the Cyclops people themselves.

I don't know what the differences in the light housing are between a GT and a ST. I did fit them to my GT with no issues at all.

The H7 low beam fit with the "driver" inside the light housing and cap. The H7 high beam did not. I elected to drill a small hole for the wires to pass through and place the driver outside the light housing. It'll get better cooling anyway. Some velcro holds it under the light housing out of the way and where it isn't seen either.

Doing an install like that, will make the lights work on any bike. You'll only need the bulbs then. That gets the cost down to $65 per bulb.

Chris
We live across the pond unfortunately! I still wouldn't mind the $50 markup if the above link definitely fitted the ST. Taking your advice I might take the plunge and get the bulb kit on their own without the covers.

One final question: if you have drilled a hole , how is the high beam kept waterproof? Is the bulb and led driver waterproof?

Sorry that's 2 questions:p
 
First, I highly recommend you buy directly from Cyclops Adventure Sports. They ship worldwide. I suspect it would be less expensive than buying in country for you, even with shipping.

Second, I'm attaching some pictures below that show my low beam light. It's the same as how I did the high beam. Yes, the driver did fit inside the low beam headlight housing originally. Here's the long story on why I changed from the original setup.

I was in some Podunk place in Wyoming or Montana a few weeks ago when I got a Lamp failure warning on my GT. Temperatures were in the high 90s at the time and I'd been riding for hours already. I pulled into a diner for a late lunch as I pondered what I'd do next. By the time I came out again, the warning light had gone away, but the LED light was bad. Only one side was lit and it wasn't bright at all. I was riding in the day time only and had other lights on, so I didn't worry about it. The bike was running fine, so I decided to wait till I got home to change the bulb. Luckily, I did as I got the dreaded headlamp retainer wire issue and had to remove all the fairings from the front of the bike to fix it. However...it'll never bother me again now. :)

My theory was that I had been riding for a couple weeks in temps in the high 90s and low 100s, and not for short rides but 8 hours plus. I think the bulb overheated in those conditions. The Cyclops store is on the other side of Seattle, so I talked to them about it while they gave me a new H7 LED bulb. They didn't think that was the cause, but just that the light randomly failed. They have some that are used in desert conditions with no issues. Still when I went to reinstall it back home, I decided to do the same as I had with the high beam bulb and place the driver on the outside where it could get it's own cooling air and not add heat to the enclosed headlamp area. Having a bulb go out in the middle of nowhere, was not something I wanted to encounter again if I could this easily mitigate the risk.

If you pull the cap off, you'll find a thick O-ring. Remove it so it isn't damaged. I drilled at the bottom of the cap and made the cutout go through the side of the cap where it fits inside the headlamp housing. That gives you a way to insert the wires through and reinstall the O-ring to seal off the opening. You could put tape over the wires to fill the opening you drilled, though I used a drill size that was just big enough for the wires to pass through, but not so large as to let a lot of water get in.





The bulb and driver are waterproof.


Chris
 
Hi Remi.


I purchased these covers from Shapeways, but the do not fit my F800 GT. The covers are too small.

My bike is a 2015 UK model.

Can you tell me where I can get the correct covers?

Cheers,
Chad
 
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Hi Remi.

I purchased these covers from Shapeways, but the do not fit my F800 GT. The covers are too small.

My bike is a 2015 UK model.

Can you tell me where I can get the correct covers?

Cheers,
Chad
Hi Chad,

Don't worry there isn't any change in the covers amongs the year models. For your information I own a 2015 model as well, and this is the model I used to design the covers.
If you think the covers are too small to fit the housing, you may have missed the fact that they are intended to be combined with the existing flat covers.

In a nutshell:
The existing stock flat covers are re-used to keep the fit and latching.
However, these are meant to be drilled in order to receive the 3D printed covers, to create a volume extension.
You may use some CA glue to secure the bond between both parts.

I hope this helps. If you are still trying to figure out how to use them, let me know and I'll send you a picture no worries.
Cheers,

Blueskip
 
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Hi guys!

Very interesting install Rémi!

Seeing the evolution in lighting lately, did any of you have tried a LED parking light as well? Mine just died and since I have to replace it I wanted to check what's out there...
Hi,

thanks!
Yes I have a LED parking light as well.

3 things to think about when buying such a LED parking light:

-shape: you want it to be shaped as to keep a clearance with the chrome plated reflector so it won't rub against it. Led park light can have very different shapes.
-power: it's hard to predict as this is unfortunately not mentionned on the packaging most of the time. You want a park light that drains at least 3watts, otherwise it will trigger the "lamp" sign on the dashboard as the bord computer thinks the bulb is out either when the current drain of the bulb is less than 3w or infinite resistance.
-color temperature: try to match the kelvin temp of the main headlight if possible

cheers,

blueskip
 
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Hi Remi.

If you could upload some pictures of what I need to drill out, that would be most helpful.

Cheers,
Chad
Hi Chad,

I don't have a picture showing the stock cap being drilled, but here are some pictures to lead you.


Here you can see a section of the 3D printed extension. The highlighted blue shows the surfaces to be glued to the drilled stock cap.
Basically, you need to follow these steps:

A) Drill a hole in the center of the stock cap + enlarge this hole with a stepped mill until you reamed most of the center material
-or-
B) drill a hole off center and use a hand scroll saw to chop off most of the center material.
C) use a dremel with a coarse grit drum to finish removing the wall material until you are flush with the outer ring of the stock cap.
D) switch to a fine grit and fine tune the reaming until you can fit the 3D printed extention into the hole. Keep going until it snaps in.
E) important: with the stock cap tab facing UP, rotate the extention until the cable hole is facing DOWN and make a pencil mark to align both parts
F) use CA glue to bond the parts together while keeping the alignment as marked in E)
G) repeat steps A>F for the other cap.
H) route your cables thru your caps, install the bulbs and ballasts
F) enjoy and go ride :)


These pictures are showing the sub assembly in place.

this was explained in my post #11 in this thread, but now you got some pictures added.

I hope this helps.
cheers,

Remi
 
Try Super Brite LEDs

I have used Super Brite LEDs products (superbrightleds.com) for many years. I have their LED parking light (194-CW5-CBT: Cool White - $2.95) and head lights (H7-HLV4-M: Cool White - $29.95 US) in my F800GT and also run their LEDs in my Yamaha RZ-350 and Moto Guzzi V11-Sport. The BMW headlights require a load resistor (H7-RL650-M Connection Load Resistor - $6.95 US).
 
I don't know about those, but I think their price is high. Over on the ST-Owners forum website, one of the guys there did some research on Evitech LED headlights. There's 17 pages of posts there. https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/h4-led-2018-evitek-f2-replaces-g6.162067/

I posted some info on them over here using info from their thread. https://f800riders.org/forum/showthread.php/311571-Evitek-LED-Lightbulbs Those bulbs cost about a quarter of what you would pay...and you get two, not one.

If the less expensive bulbs were a problem, I think I'd have heard about it. Instead, the riders there can't say enough good about them.

Chris
 
These are the latest equivalent bulbs in the H7 size you'll need.

  • HIKARI LED Headlight Bulbs Conversion Kit-H7,2019 New Gen of HIKARI, Adjustable Beam, 9600lm 6K Cool White,2 Yr Warranty

  • NINEO H7 LED Headlight Bulbs,CREE Chips 12000Lm 5090Lux 6500K Extremely Bright All-in-One Conversion Kit,360 Degree Adjustable Beam Angle

  • Safego H7 LED Headlight Bulbs,High Power CSP Chip Chips 72W 12000Lm 6500K Extremely Bright All-in-One Conversion Kit of 2,1 year warranty

The first two bulbs have over a thousand reviews each and are almost perfect 5 stars.

Chris
 
These are the latest equivalent bulbs in the H7 size you'll need.

  • HIKARI LED Headlight Bulbs Conversion Kit-H7,2019 New Gen of HIKARI, Adjustable Beam, 9600lm 6K Cool White,2 Yr Warranty

  • NINEO H7 LED Headlight Bulbs,CREE Chips 12000Lm 5090Lux 6500K Extremely Bright All-in-One Conversion Kit,360 Degree Adjustable Beam Angle

  • Safego H7 LED Headlight Bulbs,High Power CSP Chip Chips 72W 12000Lm 6500K Extremely Bright All-in-One Conversion Kit of 2,1 year warranty

The first two bulbs have over a thousand reviews each and are almost perfect 5 stars.

Chris
Hey Chris, I showed these to the shop who is doing the mods on my 14 F800GT and he warned me against them on BMW's. Said not to mess with headlights as aftermarket headlights such as these can possibly mess with the computer system and cause warning lights to appear randomly. I have no idea if this is true or not but this is not a BMW dealer. After talking with many local shops, these guys know the most about BMW. Would like to hear if anyone as experience with these on BMW.
 
I'm not going to pretend I know as much as your mechanics do. But here's my logic and understanding of the system, and you can decide for yourself.

The CANBUS system monitors the electrical circuits of the bike. In my mind, it does two things. First, it protects against too much current and acts like a fuse in the old style systems. If this happens, fix the cause of the over current and the system resets itself automatically. Second, it provides a warning system for things like bulbs that are blown. Again, replace the blown bulb, and the system is happy again and resets itself automatically.

My point is, that if you cause a fault in the system, just be prepared to back out of whatever you did to return it to the OEM state and you're good. In this case, it is a really simple bulb replacement. Nothing more.

If you read up further in the thread, you'll see where I was recommending Cyclops LED bulbs. I still think they are great, and the customer service you will get if you ever need it, is great as well. They put out a lot of light and make a very easy replacement for your halogen headlights to both give you more light and use less current from your electrical system. Many of us are using them and I've never heard of any warning lights going on randomly.

I think I've been using those for about 3 years now. I have had a couple replacements in that time though. Both were replaced under warranty, so at no cost to me.

But I've also come to realize that there isn't really anything that special about Cyclops LED headlights. They work really well...but I think there are others like the ones I've mentioned above that also work well. It's like replacing a GE headlight with a Sylvania headlight. Both are made to fill the same purpose.

In this case, the Cyclops H7 headlights are selling for somewhere around $65 each. The LED lights mentioned above are half that...and have two bulbs in the package. Because they are so much less expensive, will they fail quicker? Probably not. While the Honda ST owners aren't BMW owners, if the lights were going to fail on them, there wouldn't be such an enthusiastic following of them.

So in my mind, I've answered the CANBUS question through personal experience of having no issues with it on my own bike over several years. And the experience and feedback over a lot of use on another forum tells me the bulbs themselves work well and last.

But in the end, it is your $$ to spend and your decision to make. Let us know what you decide to do and how it works out. :)

Chris
 
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